But your students were right about one thing. children and even teens are so naïve and oblivious to life in general, not to mention Disney movies. I’ll be unhappy with Disney if he had actual death in mind here. i’ll handle this myself!” again I think an important message to take responsibility and don’t tell on someone… I would love to hear your response to this. We already established that the Coachman is responsible for illegal child trafficking, transporting them to a Fun land called Pleasure Island, (a word that many adults associate directly with sex) and luring them there with fun, candy, anything a kid could want. Or, goddess. The first Disney main character who is definitely and certainly dead on-screen. Insightful, super analysis taking into account phenomena in the world. Was John’s sidekick just there? This creation is a puppet he names Pinocchio. There’s also a 1970 animated version which is really good. Father more than master, really. Pedophilia is a very stigmatized psychiatric disorder in which one feels sexual attraction to children. Usually, there is something to be seen in many Disney movies ranging from the 1930’s to the 1990’s. Now I have a much better understanding why. Rule 2 does not apply when replying to this stickied comment.. Rule 2 does apply throughout the rest of this thread.. What this means: Please keep any "meta" discussion directed at specific users, mods, or r/conspiracy in general in this comment chain only.. In Pinocchio, the truth does hurt and partly because its messages are not implicit at all. Even the Fairy Godmother let Cinderella go it alone. I was born in rural Kentucky, USA and now live abroad in Lebanon where I majored in English Language and Literature. Yes, but see I’m speaking mainly about Disney films. 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I really like your points on Pinocchio and the other boys being “scarred” by their experience and that means they become donkeys. Pinocchio could’ve easily went to school and still face many challenges. Was Stromboli just being innocent? It's possible he was once a boy who ended up on Pleasure Island. Looking forward to your reply! Pinocchio smiled as he watched the sun rise over Pleasure Island. Not only that but the characters were voiced by actors. Was this in fact the last time the fairy helped and served as the solution to all problems? Pleasure Island is shown once more in the 2000 TV musical Geppetto. It makes me want to look at all those people who say, “Oh, Pinocchio is the sweetest little Disney classic” and say, “You’re new here, right?” Compared to the stuff you outlined here, Hunchback of Notre Dame is downright tame. sorry for my grammatical errors. But either way it definitely is dark and scary as hell in a motivating way. I watched this movie for the first time since my childhood and man, so many implicit dark meanings you only understand as an adult. The Witch dies of her own accord by slipping. Personally, I never thought much of Pinocchio, but perhaps if I saw it again I could somehow appreciate the dark parts for being faithful to the dark nature of classic children’s stories a la the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christen Anderson. This was not one that would have popped into my head until now. Please Island was very honest, open and direct with everyone, kids and adults alike. Seeing a dark coat makes many think that there is no need to look behind something already so explicit. I’ve seen it for the first (and only) time at the age of 35, with my children, and I found it very dark and disturbing, perhaps more for the adults than for the children, and surely more than the original Italian novel (!) Interesting article, gives me something to think about! which is also for adults, yet kids will enjoy too but in their own way- a much less understanding of why. Every time, even though I knew Pinocchio would escape because I watched it ten times, I prayed and prayed that Pinocchio would be ok. I will always love Disney movies.. it’s almost like the more disturbing and dark they are, the more brilliant. I haven’t seen Maleficent yet but the idea does somewhat bother me. And what he did is pretty terrible and tragic. The rest of the lies are told by Pinocchio. There’s a darker ending to the after film sequence. It is implied to be an illegal or extremely notorious place, as hinted by J. Worthington Foulfellow. But it is worthy to mention what Stromboli said after he locked Pinocchio in the cage/sack. I think they will find a way home to there parents house. Her first action was giving Pinocchio life, now she meets him again for another talk, another lesson, and some last bit of magic. Pedophilia does tend to scar the victim for life. I tried watching this movie as a teen, years ago. “This isn’t what Disney is about.” If my student said that, I would’ve told him, or her to watch ” The Watcher in the woods.”. Satisfied,now? I also found Disney Wiki’s analysis of their own movie a bit of an interesting read, particularly this chunk: “Origin– She is the solution to all problems presented: lifeless puppet, overgrown nose, locked cage, man-eating whale, or death. While all other Disney movies flaunt the lie that is happily ever after, Pinocchio gives it to the audience straight. Even if he would have wanted to escape, they wouldn’t have let him!! He uses that rather underhanded tactic to try and ruin George Bailey, and in the end, it is the good will that George has showered on his family and friends that saves the day. But yes, in a way he did come of age. Labeled by the movie as one of the ‘stupid little boys’ the Coachman was after, Pinocchio takes him up on the offer. Her very direct role in giving him life and saving his life, as a sort of model of goodness despite all odds against him in the most dire of situations, he needed her desperately. The one detail changed that is potentially creepier and more obscene than the original story is the renaming of Collodiâs Toyland as Pleasure Island. Other than that, he was also offended at how some of the shots of Pinocchio when he’s unconscious and lying in the water. )… Maybe (it’s a point of view that needs to be confirmed) showing moral decay and hellish punishments was seen as a way to divert people from misbehavioring, typical of the Puritan Anglo-saxon mentality and of course very strange (I add, twisted and perverse) for the French (and Latin/Catholic) one. You can hear it briefly in Tobacco Row sequence,in Pleasure Island. He doesn’t really even understand right and wrong, that’s why Jiminy has to be assigned to him. I look forward to rewatching with your analysis in mind. I never read the book. And these lines are lies. It brings to mind Spring Breakers, which had a slightly more adult take on the pleasures and perversions of Pleasure Island. Exactly my point. But behind the explicit meaning is yet another meaning. To see this, every last truth, lie, lesson, virtue and villain Pinocchio has to offer must be examined. The sun's rays cast away the shadows and horrors of the Coachman's evil operation on the island and brought with it a new hope of peace and tranquility for the boys turned donkeys that now would make the island their home. âShrek 2âLetâs peel back all the layers of this onion.Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory. Screenfice covers the latest Film & TV news. https://disneyvillains.fandom.com/wiki/Pleasure_Island?oldid=132095. The children are trafficked to âPleasure Islandâ hinting at sexual pleasure. The boy who was scarred from an experience was given a release from it and the movie seems set to take a tragic turn for the worst. There are stories about a deleted scene in which Honest John and Gideon meet Pinocchio for a third time but are arrested. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY ON EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY OF THE VILLIANS. This scene alone is screaming of dark, implicit messages a child might never understand. I never quite noticed how awful the people around Pinocchio were. However, when the scene with the coachman came on I was shocked by the entire scene. Pleasure Island was a cursed amusement park seen in Pinocchio.The park was owned and operated by The Coachman, who made a fortune from his crooked deeds, and is seen in the film when the Coachman brings Pinocchio, Lampwick and a coachload of other boys to the park. An argument can be made that there is no villain in that movie though. Pinocchio isn’t the only film that has the villain not getting his comeuppance. I still wander how so much dark, violent and gruesome scenes could have been introduced in a Disney film for children and families, and more how could have been allowed in the Hays Code time, when were banned (or very controlled) for example violence against children and animals, sympathy for illicit behaviors, property damage, alcohol drinking (few years after the Prohibition time), drugs, fires, images of death, animal nudity (! Many could very well perceive those two characters (three counting the sidekick fox) as monsters, making Pinocchio’s first words a truth. By this point in Hunchback, a death has already happened. But the man who lives alone with his cat and goldfish has the craziest wish ever. follow your gut instinct, if something doesn’t feel right (Honest john, Stromboli, The Coachmen) etc, then it probably isn’t.. since Pinocchio didn’t have parents to upbring him with values, morals, etc. The Blue Fairy. 15 years after the movieâs release, a theory about Donkeyâs back story is making waves on the Internet. What was it Jiminy said about a conscience? 90 Day Fiance's Yazan Has A New Girlfriend, But Will He Return To The Franchise? I have never evaluated the movie as an adult but I am not surprised that you’ve found some of the adult themes like human trafficking and pedophilia. I hate the evil truth of this rotten world. I know on the IAWL board, there are threads that pop up wondering why Potter never received punishment. I never saw any such ending. Remember the first time Honest John manipulates Pinoke and Jiminy for a second looks at the camera and goes “oh no! My husband and I watched this movie last night for the first time and we’re both horrifed. Technically Mister Potter, much like Titanic’s Cal Hockley, had implied defeats the film. Who could be called by some as the most truly evil Disney villain who caused massive and unrepaired damage got away with it. wow! She decides that Gepetto deserves to have his wish granted, and gives Pinocchio the gift of life. But there is something notorious about the evil Coachman. I mean you really don’t see any of their films tackling the kind of stuff they did in the Night on Bald Mountain (Though Hunchback came pretty close.). Is it impossible that a Prince armed with a sword and shield and backed by three fairies can defeat a dragon? But when the Puppet master Stromboli locks Pinocchio in, Jiminy pops in to help and the wooden puppet realizes where he went wrong. They can eat whatever they want, drink whatever they want, ice cream, dil pickles, beer, cigarettes, cigars, picking fights for the fun of it, destruction… all of them were mentioned explicitly. Honest John is not so terrified of Stromboli because this last one has shown his true nature to no one but Pinocchio,Monstro as a whale behaving in contrast with his nature is,according to Disney,the evil in the body of an animali, that’s why is a whale and not a shark or dogfish like in the Collodi’s book. Those arent bad things (stay with me in this one), but things that you do when you are a grown up. I never noticed the dark elements depicted in the film, but I’m glad you pointed them out! âPinocchioâ The characters of the Shrek franchise are set in a fairytale world similar to Disney. He is not just some big wealthy guy who puts kids to work in salt mines after turning them to donkeys which apparently symbolizes their stupidity. 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